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After my death our beloved Church abroad will break three ways ... first the Greeks will leave us as they were never a part of us ... then those who live for this world and its glory will go to Moscow ... what will remain will be those souls faithful to Christ and His Church. ~St. Philaret of NY






Go to Greece if you want to debate

"Go to Greece if you want to debate."

Here is an excerpt from a Russian History of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that was actually written as a seminary textbook translated by Reader Isaac Lambertson (SJKP):

§ 55
THE STATE OF ORTHODOXY IN THE SOUTH-WEST
THE UNION OF LITHUANIA 
METROPOLITAN PETER MOGHILA
THE SUBMISSION OF THE METROPOLITAN PROVINCE OF KIEV TO THE PATRIARCH OF MOSCOW

As early as the reign of the Great Prince Vladimir, preachers from the Roman Church appeared in Russia, and his answer to them – "Our fathers did not receive the Faith from the pope" – shows that there had been attempts even before Vladimir's time on the part of the popes to subject the Russians to their authority.  In the second half of the 11th century (1075), Pope Gregory VII offered Great Prince Izyaslav, who had been driven from Kiev, armed assistance to enable him to return to Kiev, if he would acknowledge his authority; but Izyaslav did not recognize that authority and returned to his capital without help from the pope.  In the beginning of the 13th century (I204), Pope Innocent III promised Prince Romanus of Volyn to subject to him people, using the sword of St. Peter; but Romanus, pointing to his own sword, declared to the pope's emissaries that he needed no other sword than his own.  In the mid-13th century (l253), Pope Innocent IV tried to persuade Prince Alexander Nevsky to come under the protection of the Roman see, but the hero of the Neva answered him, saying: "We know the true teaching of the Church, but we do not accept yours."  In the mid-14th century (1347), King Magnus of Sweden, at the pope's instigation, proposed to the people of Novgorod that they enter into a debate concerning the Faith; but Archbishop Basil of Novgorod told him to go to the Church of Greece if he wished debate.  During the reign of Tsar John the Terrible (1581), the sly Jesuit Anthony Possevin arrived in Moscow with the purpose of arranging a treaty between the Tsar and King Stephen Batory of Poland, and also of persuading the Tsar to recognize the pope.  John showered Anthony with gifts and kindnesses to appease Batory, but in discussions about the Faith gave him a stern rebuff.  On his return trip through Poland, Anthony Possevin advised the King and his fellow Jesuits to work towards a unia in every way possible, since it was impossible to achieve any direct submission of the Russians to the popes.

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Editorial Comment:

For me, this idea of "go to Greece to debate" sums up the essence of ROCOR's special place in Orthodoxy.  If ROCOR disappears, then the GOC would lose a Sister Church.  We already have no Sister Church parishes in America of the Romanians or the Bulgarians or the true Free Serbians.  Will the GOC be the only one left in America if everyone left in the ROCOR runs off to the GOC for greener pastures?  

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1 comment:

Joanna said...


Br. Isaac Lambertson is overburdened with medical bills that his ROCOR-MP insurance does not cover. I do not know how to send him money. If you want to compensate Br. Isaac for the translation of the Church History textbook, you could ask the ROCOR-MP for his address, or an alternative could be to make a donation to the Haiti Mission in his name:
send checks to:
Matushka Anastasia Williams
1180 Orthodox Way
Liberty TN 37095-4366

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